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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 04:30:03 PDT
From: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group <[e-mail]>
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TCP-Group Digest            Fri, 23 Sep 94       Volume 94 : Issue  210

Today's Topics:
                          gateway software?
                    How to Join or Leave (2 msgs)
                                Hubris
                             Mail failure
                       TCP retry time problem?
                   wn940921 : where can I find it?

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:56:54 -0800 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: gateway software?
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

What software are people using on their gateways? I'm having terrible
luck with the stability of KA9Q, Jnos etc. Did you compile your own?
Do you have a huge patch file you keep around to apply to new versions
of NOS? I don't care what flavour you're using; if it's stable I wan't
to try what you're using.

I need a *stable* tcp/ip router and gateway (ip over ip encap) for
ethernet to 56kbps and 1200bps packet. Just tonight I was using rcp to
copy 15 megs of a directory tree over the 56kbps link; but then I
opened an ftp connection to a Sun; when I closed the ftp connection,
the JNOS router bit the dust (right in the middle of the rcp! arg!).
Rhetorical question: why can Suns, SGIs, Linux boxes etc. run for
*months* doing routing (and a million other things), and NOS up times
are measured in days at best?


thanks


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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:33:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Subject: How to Join or Leave
To: [e-mail]

One of the most irritating problems of a listserver is that people don't
remember how they got in, or the instructions for getting out.  For this
particular group, you would probably check the masthead of the tcp-group
digest. Of course that won't help, because the masthead is wrong - always
has been.  The simple fact is that most listservers use the user name of

    listserv

Those that don't are non-standard, and should probably be avoided if you
have a poor memory.

The tcp-group is archived on the ucsd.edu machine.  So the full address is

    [e-mail]

Now here's the fun part. Just send the word

    help

In the message.  Don't include your damned 12 line signature block with
stupid graphics either.

If a member see's that another member is having trouple they can also
unsubscribe them.

    delete-all [e-mail]

--
Steve

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:21:22 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Subject: How to Join or Leave
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>particular group, you would probably check the masthead of the tcp-group
>digest. Of course that won't help, because the masthead is wrong - always
>has been.

Steve is so sure of himself.  Unfortunately, he's wrong.  The masthead
of the tcp-digest clearly states to send mail to [e-mail],
and by golly, that works for me!

But then, Steve knows better than I do.  Hey, I just wrote the software,
the masthead, and run the system.

So do it his way.  Or as the instructions say.  Your choice.

Gosh, I wish >I< were young enough to know everything.  Hubris, I think
they call it.
    - Brian

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:32:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Subject: Hubris
To: [e-mail]

> Hubris

Isn't that what the fags at ucsd smear their butt with?

Well you should pat yourself on the back on the fine and wonderful
list server you "wrote".  I suspect it's probably the only thing you
ever finished...

--
Steve

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Subject: Mail failure
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TCP-Group Digest            Thu, 22 Sep 94       Volume 94 : Issue  209

Today's Topics:
                             Mail failure
                               UNSCRIBE
                      wn940921 memory and things

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:54:51 EST
From: BARRY TITMARSH <[e-mail]>
Subject: wn940921 memory and things
To: TCP-GROUP <[e-mail]>, wnos-group <[e-mail]>

Just to confirm unless informed otherwise. the memory problem
on this version of wnos is cleared.
and the latest uploaded .exe's do contain netrom.
however I compiled both in 286 mode on the compiler.
Barry.

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 07:27:00 -0000
From: [e-mail] (Mike Bilow)
Subject: TCP retry time problem?
To: [e-mail]

[Replying originally to a post addressed to the [e-mail] list]

On 94 Sep 20 at 10:52, Dr. Gareth D. Blower <[e-mail]>
wrote:

 DGDB> rto = backoff(tcb) * (4 * tcb->mdev + tcb->srtt);

 DGDB> Where does that factor of 4 get plucked from? It means
 DGDB> that when we calculate the retry time, we give the mean
 DGDB> deviation of the RTT 4 times the weight of the RTT itself.
* * *
 DGDB> If we do a PING to a particular station, we will see
 DGDB> quite a small mean deviation, but that's because we send
 DGDB> one packet at time. When we are doing an FTP, we may send,
 DGDB> all in one go, any number of packets, depending on the
 DGDB> negotiated window size. If we send one packet, and then
 DGDB> two contiguous packets, and then three contiguous packets,
 DGDB> the RTT will vary. For one packet, it will be
 DGDB> approximately RTT. If two packets are sent contiguously,
 DGDB> the RTT for the first packet will be approximately 1.5
 DGDB> RTT. If three packets are sent contiguously, the RTT for
 DGDB> the first packet will be approximately 2 RTT

What you say has quite a lot of validity, but I think the reasoning was most
likely to concoct a quick and dirty mechanism to prevent the retry timer from
expiring on one packet while others are still being sent.  This is an inherent
problem on a half-duplex channel, since the RTT can only be measured on a
packet-by-packet basis.  It might be reasonable to extend Karn's Algorithm to
say that we will only use an RTT measurement taken from an acknowledgement of
the last transmitted frame.  If we did this, then we would never get any RTT
measurements unless we drop into stop-and-wait mode somehow, either through the
use of the congestion window or some other cause.  You might ask Phil Karn
about this directly, although I believe that he has traditionally expressed
objection to any linear backoff implementation as opposed to exponential
backoff.

-- Mike


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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:19:52 utc
From: [e-mail]
Subject: wn940921 : where can I find it?
To: [e-mail]

Hello all,
where can I find wn940921 sources other than ucsd.edu?

The problemi is that here the connectionf with ftp.ucsd.edu is slow,
so if I can connect another host maybe i can download it easily.

Best 73

Mike

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